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anwaralsharrad
عقـــيد
الـبلد : التسجيل : 22/08/2007 عدد المساهمات : 1425 معدل النشاط : 2141 التقييم : 449 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 18:28 | | | |
| | | حماده
عمـــيد
الـبلد : العمر : 56 المهنة : مراقب قديم التسجيل : 25/08/2007 عدد المساهمات : 1541 معدل النشاط : 98 التقييم : 21 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 18:47 | | | نشكر استاذنا الفاضل انور علي المقال المستفيض ونتمني منه دوام امدادنا بمثل هذه المواضيع الشيقه |
| | | mi17
عمـــيد
الـبلد : العمر : 38 المزاج : مش متفائل التسجيل : 29/02/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1698 معدل النشاط : 78 التقييم : 6 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 19:47 | | | شكرا ليك يا استاذ انور على هذا التحليل وان كان لازال بما ان المحلل اسرائيلي فطبعا التحيز الواضح لاسرائيللان بصراحة مصر متفوقة على اسرائيل في القوات البرية اسرائيل تفوقها الوحيد هو سلاح الجو والحرب الالكترونية وهذه الفجوة كل مدى ما هي بتقل |
| | | alokaa
مـــلازم
الـبلد : التسجيل : 22/08/2007 عدد المساهمات : 676 معدل النشاط : 1 التقييم : 1 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 20:01 | | | بس الموضوع مافيهوش حاجه جديده اعتقد |
| | | مصطفى الجديد
جــندي
الـبلد : التسجيل : 04/09/2007 عدد المساهمات : 7 معدل النشاط : 0 التقييم : 0 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 20:59 | | | مشششششششششششكووووووووووووووور ونهايه اسرائيل امر مسلم به على يد المصريين كما كان وكما يجب ان يكون |
| | | خالد شكرى
رقـــيب أول
الـبلد : التسجيل : 01/12/2007 عدد المساهمات : 360 معدل النشاط : 17 التقييم : 5 الدبـــابة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 21:56 | | | مشكور استاذ أنور لكن ملاحظ أن معظم الإحصائيات تعود لعام2003 هل هذا التقرير حديث؟؟ |
| | | azab_xp
رائـــد
الـبلد : العمر : 38 المهنة : مقاتل المزاج : 100 100 التسجيل : 26/10/2007 عدد المساهمات : 998 معدل النشاط : 206 التقييم : 7 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 22:04 | | | شكرا علي الموضوع الا انه غير عميق ( سطحي ) |
| | | ziko-power
مقـــدم
الـبلد : التسجيل : 18/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1147 معدل النشاط : 5 التقييم : 3 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 23:33 | | | بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم استاذ انور شكرا ولكنك لم تذكر كامل التقرير وللاخوه التقرير كامل عن مصر المقتبس بعضه ^^ - اقتباس :
With a fielded force of 420,000 soldiers, Egypt has one of the largest and most professional standing armies in the Middle East. Equipped with some of the region’s most modern weaponry, it also poses the greatest conventional threat to Israel of any Arab state. This danger continues to grow as Cairo pursues an ambitious program of rearmament unprecedented in its recent history. Heavy Armor and systems to defeat heavy armor are key components of Egypt’s new offensive military posture.
The centerpiece of Egypt’s armored force is the American-made M1-A1 main battle tank. Cairo began integrating the M1 Abrams into its military strategy in 1988 following the construction of Tank Assembly Plant 200 in Helwan just outside of Cairo. At a cost of about $1 billion, this plant was paid for largely with US foreign assistance dollars.
The M1 is produced in Egypt under a licensed co-production agreement with General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). About 60% of each Egyptian M1 is manufactured by GDLS at plants in the US. The components then are shipped to Egypt in kits for final assembly and testing. The remaining 40% of each vehicle is produced locally in Egypt.
In a little over a decade, the Helwan tank plant has spawned a vast network of local factories that now are capable of fabricating many of the parts needed for the repair and maintenance of the country’s armored fleet. This has dramatically improved the Army’s field readiness while strengthening Egypt’s overall military production base. The country’s National Organization for Military Production now oversees 16 industrial sites.9
Following the production of the first 555 tanks begun in 1991, Cairo authorized additional orders. The latest of these came in October 2003, with the approval by the Pentagon of 125 M1A1 tank kits for $920 million. A full spare parts and training package also was included in the deal.10 This brings to 880 the number of Abrams American tanks now in the Egyptian arsenal.
Plans call for a total of 1,500 M1s to be produced and fielded with the Egyptian Army. Eventually, the country hopes to replace its entire inventory of Soviet-era tanks. In the meantime, the Army is studying the possibility of upgrading its 600 T-62 tanks with a new, more powerful engine. Favored at this time is the 1,500hp SACM V8X-1500 Hyperbar diesel engine used in the French Leclerc tank.11 Egypt’s 800 T-55 tanks remain in storage.
An American-Fueled Arms Race
Eager to solidify its position as the number one arms supplier to the Middle East, Washington has shown little reluctance to hold back on the transfer of advanced equipment to the region. Egypt has been one of the largest purchasers in recent years with the acquisition of a vast assortment of missiles, combat ships, artillery, attack and reconnaissance aircraft, surveillance drones and munitions. Tanks are no exception.
In a surprise move, the Defense Department announced in late 2003 that it would permit the M1A1 tank fleets of its allies in the Middle East to be upgraded to the M1A2 configuration. The move would dramatically enhance both the lethality and survivability of the Abrams by giving it capabilities comparable to front line US forces. The only other countries in the Middle East that currently operate M1A2 tanks are Kuwait with 218 and Saudi Arabia with 315. Recently, Washington approved a $26 million contract from General Dynamics Land Systems to reconfigure the first 14 Egyptian Abrams tanks to the M1A2 model.12
So effective was the M1 during the 1991 Desert Storm campaign that not a single round fired by a Soviet-made T-72 was able to penetrate its armor plate made of depleted uranium. In fact, most Iraqi tanks were engaged by US forces beyond their firing range and destroyed by M1 tanks at between 3,000 and 3,500 meters using M829A1 APFSDS-T ammunition.
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On desert maneuvers: US M1A1 tanks of the type now in service with the Egyptian Army Source: GlobalSecurity.org
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The M1A2 upgrade is an attractive option for Egypt which is eager to narrow its technology gap with Israel. Nearly a quarter of a century after the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was signed, Cairo still nurtures the goal of achieving strategic parity with the Jewish state. Egypt’s Chief of the General Staff, Marshal Hussein Tantawi, has made it plain that his country not only seeks to improve the effectiveness of its air, land and sea forces, but is working to give them a power projection capability as well.
In August, 2001, just one month before the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, a senior Egyptian official was reported to have threatened that if Israel reoccupied the Palestinian territories, Egypt order armored units belong to its Third Army into the Sinai Peninsula.13
Talk of this sort has done little to slow the transfer of American arms to Egypt. In fact, the pace has quickened in recent years as Washington has emerged as the preferred arms supplier to the Middle East, a region already bristling with armament and conflicts on nearly every border.
Understandably, policymakers in Jerusalem have become increasingly worried that the US is abandoning its historic commitment to ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge against any combination of adversaries. It is a pledge that has been reaffirmed by successive administrations, both Republican and Democrat, over the last two decades. Instead of strengthening Israel, this proliferation spiral has only weakened the country, draining its already fragile economy of scare resources and forcing its military to devise new and evermore imaginative battlefield solutions to weapons supplied by Israel’s principal ally.
Jerusalem’s concerns were reinforced in February 2002, with the declaration from Cairo that Egypt no longer considered its defense relations with Washington connected to its peace treaty with Israel.14 Instead of issuing a strong condemnation of this policy shift, the Bush Administration rewarded Cairo by agreeing to the sale of 53 satellite-guided Harpoon Block II anti-shipping missiles to Egypt. This advanced system can be employed like a cruise missile to accurately strike targets on both land and sea.
Responding to Egypt’s massive arms build-up Israel’s Defense Minister, Shaul Mofaz, told the Israeli daily Ma’arivrecently: <blockquote>
We look with concern at the strengthening of Egypt and we ask: what is it for? After all, we have peace with Egypt and I see no country threatening them. A new reality may develop that in a few years there will be a different leadership in Egypt and that could change how they relate to Israel.15 </blockquote>
In fact, the situation today in Egypt looks very much like it did in Iran during the last days of the Shah. The country’s growing political instability, lack of a clear succession plan and the growing power of radical Islam, could easily throw the country into chaos. The result would be that a large amount of highly sophisticated weaponry would fall suddenly into the hands of individuals committed to the downfall of Israel and the destruction of US interests in the Middle East.
Since 1981, Washington has contributed significantly to the operational effectiveness of the Egyptian armed forces by sponsoring the biannual Bright Star exercise. Armor and anti-armor scenarios have always figured prominently in the training regime. In recent years, the aggressor force used in the exercises has been modeled after the Iraqi military. During the last Bright Star gathering 58,000 troops from the US, France, Britain and several Gulf States converged on Egypt for a month of war games and information sharing.
Ironically, this activity has allowed the Egyptian armed forces to refine their operation doctrine and in fact to benefit, indirectly, from many of the hard won lessons learned by Israel in its various military campaigns. While Israel and the US maintain a close working relationship at all levels of military interaction, the fact remains that Jerusalem can not control what American officials do with the observations and insights they glean during joint exercises with the IDF.
One of the most outspoken Israeli critics of the Egyptian military build-up has been Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. In a recent report he noted:
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The last decade has seen a very sharp rise in military expenditures in Egypt, beyond the amounts that poor country gets from the United States annually… Up to now, Egypt has received more than $30 billion in military aid from the United States. Israel has received slightly more in the last 22 years, but we have had to spend much of it on war – against Palestinian terrorism, against Hizbullah in the north, against the Iraqis who in 1991 struck Israel with Scud missiles, and other military campaigns Israel was forced to conduct.16 </blockquote>
It is in the area of armored systems and the equipment needed to support offensive armor operations where the US has been particularly helpful to the Egyptians. In 2003, Washington agreed to sell Egypt 10,040 non-standard Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot-Tracer Kinetic Energy Tungsten Advanced (APFSDS-T) armor-piercing rounds under a contract worth $54 million.17 This advanced tungsten projectile, used in conjunction with the improved targeting systems in the M1A2, significantly enhances the killing power of the American-made tank.
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APFSDS-T Tank Round in Flight Source: US Army
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| | | ziko-power
مقـــدم
الـبلد : التسجيل : 18/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1147 معدل النشاط : 5 التقييم : 3 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 23:34 | | | بقيه التقرير - اقتباس :
In 2002 Egypt purchased 5,000 KEW-A1 armor piercing shells from the US made of depleted-uranium (DU), the tank ammunition adds significantly to the lethality of Egyptian armor.18 Another contract awarded to Alliant Techsystems in August of that year called for assisting Egypt to establish an indigenous capability to produce 120 mm tank training ammunition.
Recently, Egypt has made a number of additional acquisitions which directly support the modernization of Cairo’s armored fleet as well as its anti-armor capability. By supplying this equipment and training the US has enabled Egypt to field a military force tailored to offensive operations. Some of these systems include:
Co-Production of 21 M88A2 Hercules Heavy Recovery Vehicle Kits. These vehicles are used for “towing, wrecking, and hoisting operations supporting recovery operations and evacuation of heavy tanks and other tracked combat vehicles”.19
Purchase of “26 Extended Range-Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (ER-MLRS) with fire control panels, 485 ER-MLRS rocket posts (six rockets per pod), 22 reduced range practice rocket posts (six rockets per pod), one MLRS fire control proficiency trainer, three M88A2 recovery vehicles, 30 M577A2 command post carriers…” and other support equipment.20
Purchase of 459 AGM-114K3 Hellfire II Air-to-Surface Anti-Armor Missiles.
Purchase of 500 M1045A2 High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV) to be fielded with TOW weapons systems.21
Approved the delivery of 120 embedded diagnostics personality system vehicle sets for the M1A1.22
Purchase of components for surface-to-surface rockets, principally M77 grenades with new fuses.23
As the weight of Arab arms tips ever more precariously against Israel, Washington continues to deny it is a large part of the problem. In each of the notifications it sends to Congress of pending arms sales the Pentagon trumpets the same well worn assertion, that: “The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.”24 The facts, though, suggest otherwise.
Indeed, the Pentagon has never provided a means for accurately gauging just how the sale of offensive weapons to Arab allies not under threat of attack will help to preserve the balance of power in the region.
The US Department of Defense justified its recent sale of an additional 125 M1A1 tanks to Egypt by declaring: <blockquote>
This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been and continues to be an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Middle East.25 </blockquote>
The use of such boilerplate language in virtually every congressional notification makes a mockery of a process which is supposed to provide oversight and direction to American arms sales policy. Many political observers find it astonishing that Washington continues to lavish military hardware on Egypt despite the country’s increasingly confrontational stance towards the US. In recent years the two governments have sharply divided over questions of Iraq sanctions, the Bush Administration’s toppling of the Saddam Hussein regime and the subsequent US occupation of Iraq, Washington’s support for Israel, America’s post-9/11 policy of pre-emption and the White House goal of extending democracy throughout the Middle East.
Four AGM-114 Hellfire Missiles Mounted on a Wing Pylon of an AH-64 Apache Helicopter Source: US Army
TOW System Mounted on an HMMWV Source: Thiokol
Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) Source: Redstone Arsenal
Despite this divergence in policy, Egypt’s President, Hosni Mubarak, continues to tout his nation as one of America’s closest allies in the region. That show of fealty has brought enormous financial rewards. In addition to the $1.3 billion in military assistance Cairo receives annually from the US, the Bush Administration approved an additional $300 million in aid in 2003 along with $2 billion in loan guarantees, ostensibly to offset the loss in trade revenue resulting from the Iraq war – a war which Egypt opposed.
Congress, though, has been less than sanguine about Egypt’s treatment of the US and Israel in recent years. In January 2004, Representative Anthony Weiner (D-NY), introduced a bill that would convert US military assistance to Egypt into economic assistance as a protest against that country’s growing militancy.
Termed the “Egyptian Counterterrorism and Political Reform Act”, the bill makes note of Egypt’s failure to halt the smuggling of weapons contraband across its border with Israeli-controlled Gaza, its public support of Hizbullah attacks against Israel, the continued incitement against the US and Israel in the government controlled press, Cairo’s flagrant abuse of human rights and its refusal to normalize relations with Israel despite commitments made in the 1979 peace treaty between the two countries.26
In a similar vein, Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Chairman of the US Senate Foreign Operations Appropriations subcommittee has called for the wholesale reform of Egyptian economic and military programs as well as a halt to its human rights abuses as a pre-condition of future American assistance.27
In the autumn of 2002, with war against Saddam just months away, Washington asked the Mubarak Government for permission to allow American forces access to Egyptian bases.28 Mubarak refused. Yet, just over a year later, Washington agreed to a strategic dialogue with Cairo aimed at improving US-Egyptian defense ties and bolstering Egyptian defenses.29
In October, 2002, Egypt conducted the latest in a series of large scale live-fire exercise in the Sinai Peninsula designed to test the inter-operability of its modernized air defense capability.30 The 10 day exercise termed “A`asar-2002”, focused on the breakout of the Third Army across the Suez Canal and through fortifications. According to reports 120 aircraft participated in the exercise which used “reconnaissance and imaging technology to destroy mock enemy targets”.31 Tanks and armored vehicles were among the targets. Israel, the country with whom Egypt has a peace treaty, was the presumed adversary.
In recent years, Egypt also has stepped up its consultations with Syria,32 China, North Korea and Russia in a bid to boost military cooperation and diversify its sources of arms.33 The result is an arsenal bristling with weapons of a clearly offensive character. Among the most worrisome are 24 No-Dong missiles provided by North Korea. Each can be modified to carry a nuclear, chemical or biological warhead and has an enhanced range capable of covering all of neighboring Israel.34
In 1996 Egyptian Chief of Staff Tantawi declared: <blockquote> Peace does not mean relaxation. The endless development of military systems and the arms race prove that survival is only assured by the strongest and that military strength will always be necessary. Military strength has grown to be a prerequisite of peace. Any threat to any Arab or African country is a threat to Egypt’s national security.35 </blockquote>
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| | | ziko-power
مقـــدم
الـبلد : التسجيل : 18/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1147 معدل النشاط : 5 التقييم : 3 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! السبت 22 مارس 2008 - 23:34 | | | بخلاف التقرير
ولكن لماذا مصر استوردت ذخائر 120مم خارقه تنجستين وهي تصنعها داخل مصر؟!!! |
| | | Hoba666
عمـــيد
الـبلد : المهنة : مهندس المزاج : نسر مصري التسجيل : 23/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1886 معدل النشاط : 10 التقييم : 18 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! الأحد 23 مارس 2008 - 3:46 | | | خلاص موضوع تطوير الابرامز أكيد مش توقعات؟ حد يفرحنا ربنا يخليكوا! |
| | | ziko-power
مقـــدم
الـبلد : التسجيل : 18/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1147 معدل النشاط : 5 التقييم : 3 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! الأحد 23 مارس 2008 - 10:43 | | | - Hoba666 كتب:
- خلاص موضوع تطوير الابرامز أكيد مش توقعات؟
حد يفرحنا ربنا يخليكوا! أكيد ومن زمان |
| | | karem
لـــواء
الـبلد : المهنة : اركان حرب المزاج : عصبي التسجيل : 02/11/2007 عدد المساهمات : 2462 معدل النشاط : 1336 التقييم : 33 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! الأحد 23 مارس 2008 - 13:29 | | | الموضوع جميل بس مهما كان امريكا بتساعد اسرائيل لوحدها اكثر من ما بتساعد كل الدول العربية معا |
| | | Hoba666
عمـــيد
الـبلد : المهنة : مهندس المزاج : نسر مصري التسجيل : 23/01/2008 عدد المساهمات : 1886 معدل النشاط : 10 التقييم : 18 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! الأحد 23 مارس 2008 - 17:56 | | | - zero@fear كتب:
- Hoba666 كتب:
- خلاص موضوع تطوير الابرامز أكيد مش توقعات؟
حد يفرحنا ربنا يخليكوا! أكيد ومن زمان ربنا يفرح قلبك يا معلم اخيرا في حاجة جديدة تفرحنا عقبال الاف 16 لما تتطور علشان تجمد اكتر يعني 220طيارة بلوك 52 او بلوك 60 يبقي فل أوي. |
| | | onlyeagle
عريـــف
الـبلد : التسجيل : 22/11/2007 عدد المساهمات : 46 معدل النشاط : 2 التقييم : 1 الدبـــابة : الطـــائرة : المروحية :
| موضوع: رد: تنامي الخطر والتهديد المصري !! الأحد 23 مارس 2008 - 19:25 | | | هذا هو مسلسل ادعاء الضعف بجوار دول الجيران العرب.للضغط على الأدارة الأمريكية لمنح اسرائيل صفقات متطورة مثل الأف 22 وهذه السياسة تتبناها اسرائيل منذ اجواء ماقبل 67 وحتى الان.هى المعتدى كل يوم على الفلسطنيين وتصورهم ارهابيين.واصبحت امريكا تنتهج هى الاخرى هذه السياسة فى الاونة الاخيسرة عندما صرح مسئولون بوزارة الدفاع ان الطائرات الروسية تتفوق على الامريكية كنوع من الضغط على الادارة الامريكية لزيادة الانفاق العسكرى. |
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