اجتماع رفيع المستوي بين مسؤولين مصريين و مسئول امريكي

28 -2- 2010

الجانب الأمريكي
مساعد وزير الدفاع الأمريكي
Dr. Colin Kahl

الجانب المصري
مساعد وزيرالدفاع و رئيس فرع العلاقات المصرية الأمريكية
Major General Mohammad
al-Assar

مسئول من المخارات العسكرية
Major General
Fouad Arafa

l-Assar outlined Egypt's National Defense Policy
which he stated was based on a defensive, capabilities-based
strategy instead of threat-based. The number one priority is the
defense of Egyptian land and the Suez Canal. Other goals include:
preparedness for unexpected threats such as terrorism; the
achievement of regional stability; interoperability with Egypt's
military partners; and a leading role for Egypt in the region.
Al-Assar provided the Egyptian military's list of regional
threats/concerns such as Nile Basin water rights and the conflicts
in Darfur and southern Sudan. He commented that one never knows
what Libya might do and that it was essential that Egypt maintain
the balance of power on its eastern border. He reiterated the fact
that Israel possesses unconventional weapons and sophisticated
conventional weapons, which creates a regional imbalance and
contributes to instability. He noted that stability in the region





cannot be attained without balance of power. He stated that the
Egyptian military doctrine did not intend to gain an edge on any
other country in the region or cause offense to anyone.

تطرق المسئول المصري الي ان العقيدة المصرية تقوم علي اساس دفاعي من حيث
الدفاع علي الأراضي المصرية و قناة السويس و غيرها من الأهداف مثل تحقيق
الاستقرار الأقيلمي و مواجهة الارهاب و التصدي لأي شئ غير متوقع ومفاجئ و
الحفاظ علي دول مصر القيادي و حقوق مصر المائية و المشاكل المتعلقة في
السودان

و علق علي ان امتلاك اسرائيل اسلحة غير تقليدية و متطورة لن يساعد علي
الاستقرار الاقليمي و يجب المحافظة علي توزان القوي في المنطقة و شدد علي
ان العقيدة المصرية لا تعتمد علي اي ايذاء احد او دولة في المنطقة

Al-Assar complained that the Egyptian military
sometimes felt pressured by the United States to reform its
doctrine and capabilities to counter asymmetric threats. He
emphasized that the threats faced by the United States were
different from Egypt's. He commented that tanks and aircraft were
necessary to fight asymmetrical threats as well. He referred to
General Patreaus' Sadr City battle plan against extremists and
noted that this plan depended on the use of tanks and aircraft in
Iraq. He called on Dr. Kahl to educate Congress about Egypt's
military needs and not put limits on the numbers of aircraft and
tanks. He noted that the Egyptian military preferred to purchase

its weapons and armaments from the United States, but that Egypt's
national security was a red line and they could go elsewhere if
they had to.

و اشتكي من الضغوط الأمريكية لتوجيه مصر الي تهديات بطرق غير مناسبة لنا
و اشتكي من الكونغرس و طالب بتعرفه باحتياجات مصر و عدو وضع قيود علي بيع السلاح لنا

و قال بالرغم من ان مصر تفضل السلاح الأمريكي
و لكن الأمن القومي خط احمر و يمكنا الذهاب بكل سهولة لأماكن اخري

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Major General Fouad Arafa interjected during the
discussion to note that the spirit of the Camp David accord was
that there would be a 2:3 balance between Egypt and Israel's
security assistance. Egypt's role was to keep a certain balance of
power in the region that would not allow other parties to go to
war. Egypt had fulfilled this role faithfully for the last 30
years. al-Assar added that the current ratio of 2:5 was a
violation of the Camp David ratio.

علق ممثل المخابرات العسكرية علي ان النسبة التي كانت مقررة في اتفاقية
كامب ديفييد كانت نسبة 2:3 في المساعدات العسكرية بين مصر و اسرائيل
للمحافظة علي التوزان في المنطقة
و لكن بعد 30 عام اصبحت 5:2 لاسرائيل

al-Assar noted that Iran effectively interfered in
the internal affairs of Lebanon, Palestine, and Iraq. He commented
that Iran's nuclear ambitions would significantly change the
balance of power in the region and was contributing to further
regional instability and intensifying the conflicts. Al-Assar
stated that Egypt views Iran as a threat to the region and its
conventional and unconventional weapons would only increase the
instability in the region. Al-Assar commented that if Iran was
successful in obtaining nuclear weapons, it would only encourage
other countries in the Middle East to pursue the same path.

ثم تطرق المسئول المصري الي الخطر الايراني في المنطقة و تدخلها في الشئون الداخلية

Al-Assar brought up President Obama's pledge to
pursue a Nuclear Weapons Free Zone (NWFZ) in the Middle East. He
called on the United States to not ignore the Israeli nuclear
program. He stated that Israel's nuclear program only gave Iran
justification for creating its own nuclear weapons. If Iran
obtained nuclear weapons, it would only embolden Iran to use
Hezbollah and HAMAS with impunity.

و جدد تذكير المسئول الأمريكي بجعل المنطقة خالية من الأسلحة النووية
و يجب عدم تجاهل النووي الاسرائيلي الذي بسببه تقوم ايران بمحاولة اسلحة نووية

Dr. Kahl stated that ultimate goal for the United States
was the creation of a NWFZ in the Middle East. However, it was not
possible to draw strict parallels between Iran's acquisition of
nuclear weapons and other Middle Eastern countries. Iran is the

only country in the world that was currently threatening to wipe an
entire country off the map, and Tehran reinforced this message
through destabilizing activities pursued by its proxies in the
region. The goal of a NWFZ in the Middle East could take 10-20





years to achieve; however, the international community could not
wait 20 years to address Iran's nuclear program and needed to
figure out ways to slow down the clock on the Iran's nuclear
ambitions.
و شدد علي التصدي علي الخطر الايراني النووي لأنها البلد الوحيد التي هددت بمسح دولة اخري من الخريطة

Dr. Kahl extended his appreciation for Egypt's enhanced
counter-smuggling efforts in the past year, but expressed concern
over recent increases in smuggling activity into the Gaza strip and
HAMAS' efforts to rearm. Dr. Kahl emphasized that the United
States understands that this is an especially sensitive political
issue internally in Egypt, as well as in the region. Dr. Kahl
noted that the United States was looking forward to the positive
completion of the BTADs project and thanked the Egyptian Military
for its agreement-in-principle to sign a follow -on statement for
future BTADs support as this provided an opportunity for further





cooperation on counter-smuggling and border security. He also
underscored the importance of targeting smuggling networks and
their financiers in Sudan and the Sinai-not just their activities.



¶14. (C) Dr. Kahl renewed Secretary of Defense Gate's offer to
assist the Egyptian military in expanding its counter-smuggling
efforts on the Sudanese border and the Red Sea region.



¶15. (C) Al-Assar stated that the smuggling tunnels threatened the
national security of Egypt (highlighting HAMAS specifically) and
that "terror" could come to Egypt via these tunnels. Egypt has
spent approximately $40 million to purchase the steel for the
underground wall on the Gaza border, and Egypt was paying the cost
of this wall in terms of public opinion both within Egypt and the
region. He noted that once the wall was in place, the time would
come to pressure Israel to take responsibility for the humanitarian
situation in Gaza. Dr. Kahl reaffirmed that in all of engagements
with Israel, the U.S. officials strongly encourage Israel to open
crossings into Gaza to allow humanitarian goods to cross, and that
Egypt's focus must be affixed on thwarting the movement of illicit
weapons into the strip.

هذا الجزء الخاص بمكافحة التهريب

الأهم فيه هو الفقرة الثانية و هي التي يجدد فيه العرض الأمريكي بمساعدة مصر في مكافحة التهريب

علي العموم في وثيقة اخري يبان هذا العرض -و ان كان ليس بطريقة مباشرة -
ملامحه
تدخل امريكي مباشر مثل قوات علي الأرض و سفن امريكية مقابل اسلحة متطورة
الرد المصري عن طريق المشير طنطاوي انه مرفوض لأنه ينتقص من السيادة المصرية

Dr. Kahl encouraged Egypt to sign a Communications
Electronics Security Agreement (CESA aka CISMOA) with the Unites
States, which would pave the way for the transfer of advanced
technology to Egypt and greatly increase interoperability.
Al-Assar stated that Egypt had "its reasons to delay a decision on
a CISMOA." He noted that thousands of Egyptian military officers
have participated in training and education programs in the United
States and learned about U.S. technology and strategy. He
commented that the younger officers are frustrated with the delay
in obtaining political release for more advanced U.S. technology.
Specifically, al-Assar referred to TOW2B and JAVELIN, which he
commented had already been released to other countries. Al-Assar
noted that a CISMOA was not a condition for obtaining these
systems, but instead they were held up due to a "third party"

شجع المسئول الأمريكي علي توقع اتفاقية CISMoA -سيكون لي تعليق علي
الاتفاقية وفائتدها وخطورتها في آخر الفقرة- لنظم الاتصالات و التي ستكون
سبب في نقل تكنولوجيا متطورة لمصر
و لكن رد المسئول المصري ان مصر لديها اسبابها في التأخر في اتخاذ القرار و
لكنه نوه ان الالاف الضباط المصريين ياخذون دورات تدريبية و نعليمية في
امريكا

و تطرق ايضا الي ان صغار الضباط يشتكون من عدم الحصول بعض الاسلحة المتطورة
مثل الجافلين و التاو 2 بي علي سبيل المثال بالرغم منه بيعه لعدة دول في
المنطقة
و قال ان السبب في عدم الحصول عليها ليس بسبب عدم توقيع الاتفاقية بل بسبب طرف ثالث -طبعا يقصد اسرائيل-

اتفاقية CISMOA
هي اتفاقية خاص بتبادل المعلومات و الاتصالات
ساشرح الذي فمته من القراءة منها
http://rupeenews.com/2010/11/06/with...anced-us-arms/






لها فوائدها انك بذلك سيكون لك نفس نظم الاتصال بين القوات الامريكية -بنفس التشفير- و تسطيع بكل سهولة التواصل معهم

مثل تستطيع تصحيح احداثيات مدفعية من الجنود الأمريكين او طلب غارة امريكية
في المكان الذي تريدخه او توجيه ارضي لقنابل ليزرية تطلق من طائراتك
يعني تعاملك كانك جيش امريكي

و لكن خطورتها انك اصبحت كتباب مفتوح لأمريكان
اتصالاتك كلها يسمعونها

Al-Assar commented that Egypt was in negotiations with
Iraq to supply the Iraqi military with approximately 140 tanks,
which are manufactured at the FMF tank facility. He noted that the
Egyptian Ministry of Defense was awaiting the United States
positive response to its request for approval of the transfer. Dr.
Kahl noted that the U.S. was considering this request and would
provide a response soon.

قال ان مصر و العراق في مفاوضات لبيع 140 ابرامز مصنعة في مصر و انهم
ينتظرون الرد الأمريكي بالموافقة علي طلب البيع -طبعا لأن مصر لديها رخصة
انتاج داخلي و ليس خارجي-

و رد المسئول الأمريكي بان الرد سياتي قريبا

Al-Assar encouraged Dr. Kahl to convince the U.S.
Congress that Egypt was worth more than $1.3 billion a year. Dr.
Kahl mentioned that Egypt receives the second largest amount of





assistance in the world, and that during these difficult financial
times in the United States, it was unlikely that annual flow of FMF
would increase. He did however reassure the Egyptian officials
that the USG would continue to advocate for current levels of FMF
and push back on any attempts to condition those funds.


و طلبن من المسئول الأمريكي الضغط علي الكونغرس لزيادة المساعدات العسكرية لمصر

و قاله المسئول الأمريكي ربنا يعمل اللي فيه الخير-بص بالانجليزي-

الترجمة منقولة
http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2010/02/10CAIRO257.html

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