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اخي انت في العنوان وضعة سو-30 وفي الموضوع سو-35 ادا صحح العنوان او الموضوع اما بالنسبة للتفوق فحسب مناورة التي جرت في الهند ل ف-15 امام سو-30 فتفوقة ال سو-30 واظن النتيجة كانت 5-1 لصالح سو-30 اما بالنسبة لل سو-35 فلا وجود للمقارنة سو-35 .

الجينرال كتب:

اخي انت في العنوان وضعة سو-30 وفي الموضوع سو-35 ادا صحح العنوان او الموضوع اما بالنسبة للتفوق فحسب مناورة التي جرت في الهند ل ف-15 امام سو-30 فتفوقة ال سو-30 واظن النتيجة كانت 5-1 لصالح سو-30 اما بالنسبة لل سو-35 فلا وجود للمقارنة سو-35 .

أسف علي هذا الخطأ وتم التعديل
وكنت اقصد السو 30
وايضا الصورة التي وضعتها للسو 30

litoo11oo كتب:

الجينرال كتب:

اخي انت في العنوان وضعة سو-30 وفي الموضوع سو-35 ادا صحح العنوان او الموضوع اما بالنسبة للتفوق فحسب مناورة التي جرت في الهند ل ف-15 امام سو-30 فتفوقة ال سو-30 واظن النتيجة كانت 5-1 لصالح سو-30 اما بالنسبة لل سو-35 فلا وجود للمقارنة سو-35 .

أسف علي هذا الخطأ وتم التعديل
وكنت اقصد السو 30
وايضا الصورة التي وضعتها للسو 30

الصورة ايضا لسو 35
هاهي صورة السو 30

اخي الصورة التي وضعتها هي لل سو-35 وليس سو -30

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Dz-Shady كتب:

السو-27 و تتفوق على الاف-15 ايجل فمـــا بالك بالسو-30 !!!

-اليكم أعزائي الاعضاء Simulation اجريت سنة 2002 تبين قتال بين سوخوي-30 و أف-15 أجري من قبل قيادة الطيران الامريكية يبين تفوق السوخوي في جميـــــــع النواحي على نظيرتها من مناورة و مدى و كل شيء , لا تنسونا من التقييم من فضلكم



The Russian-built Sukhoi Su-30MK, the high-performance fighter being exported to India and China, consistently beat the F-15C in classified simulations, say U.S. Air Force and aerospace industry officials.

In certain circumstances, the Su-30 can use its maneuverability, enhanced by thrust-vectoring nozzles, and speed to fool the F-15's radar, fire two missiles and escape before the U.S. fighter can adequately respond. This is according to Air Force officials who have seen the results of extensive studies of multi-aircraft engagements conducted in a complex of 360-deg. simulation domes at Boeing's St. Louis facilities.

"The Su-30 tactic and the success of its escape maneuver permit the second, close-in shot, in case the BVR [beyond-visual-range] shot missed," an Air Force official said. Air Force analysts believe U.S. electronic warfare techniques are adequate to spoof the missile's radar. "That [second shot] is what causes concern to the F-15 community," he said. "Now, the Su-30 pilot is assured two shots plus an effective escape, which greatly increases the total engagement [kill percentage]."

THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the Sukhoi taking a shot with a BVR missile (like the AA-12 Adder) and then "turning into the clutter notch of the F-15's radar," the Air Force official said. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30's relative forward speed close to zero. This is a 20-year-old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighter's maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allow it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness, observers said.

If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 is invisible to the F-15's Doppler radar--which depends on movement of its targets--until the U.S. fighter gets to within range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. The AA-11 has a high-off-boresight capability and is used in combination with a helmet-mounted sight and a modern high-speed processor that rapidly spits out the target solution.

Positioned below the F-15, the Su-30 then uses its passive infrared sensor to frame the U.S. fighter against the sky with no background clutter. The Russian fighter then takes its second shot, this time with the IR missile, and accelerates out of danger.

"It works in the simulator every time," the Air Force official said. However, he did point out that U.S. pilots are flying both aircraft in the tests. Few countries maintain a pilot corps with the air-to-air combat skills needed to fly these scenarios, said an aerospace industry official involved in stealth fighter programs.

Those skeptical of the experiments say they're being used to justify the new Aim-9X high-off-boresight, short-range missile and its helmet-mounted cuing system, the F-22 as an air superiority fighter and, possibly, the development of a new long-range air-to-air missile that could match the F-22 radar's ability to find targets at around 120 mi. They contend that the Su-30MK can only get its BVR missile shot off first against a large radar target like the F-15. While it's true that the Su-30 MK would not succeed against the stealthy F-22 or F-35, neither would it regularly beat the nonstealthy (but relatively small radar cross section) F-16 or F/A-18E/F, they said. These analysts don't deny the F-22's value as an air-to-air fighter, but say the aircraft's actual operational value will be greatest in the penetrating strike, air defense suppression and electronic jamming roles.

At the same time, there may be more to the simulations than justifying new weaponry, say European analysts. Also at play are some tactical wrinkles being developed for the more effective use of new Russian missile versions.





و للأخ صاحب الموضوع هذه هي السوخوي-30 أتمنى أن تضعها , الصورة التي أرفقتها للسوخوي-27 و شكرااا على موضوعك

تقييم+

الجينرال كتب:

اخي الصورة التي وضعتها هي لل سو-35 وليس سو -30

تم التعديل مجددا
اسف اخي فالشبه كبير بينهم

Dz-Shady كتب:

السو-27 و تتفوق على الاف-15 ايجل فمـــا بالك بالسو-30 !!!

-اليكم أعزائي الاعضاء Simulation اجريت سنة 2002 تبين قتال بين سوخوي-30 و أف-15 أجري من قبل قيادة الطيران الامريكية يبين تفوق السوخوي في جميـــــــع النواحي على نظيرتها من مناورة و مدى و كل شيء , لا تنسونا من التقييم من فضلكم

The Russian-built Sukhoi Su-30MK, the high-performance fighter being exported to India and China, consistently beat the F-15C in classified simulations, say U.S. Air Force and aerospace industry officials.

In certain circumstances, the Su-30 can use its maneuverability, enhanced by thrust-vectoring nozzles, and speed to fool the F-15's radar, fire two missiles and escape before the U.S. fighter can adequately respond. This is according to Air Force officials who have seen the results of extensive studies of multi-aircraft engagements conducted in a complex of 360-deg. simulation domes at Boeing's St. Louis facilities.



"The Su-30 tactic and the success of its escape maneuver permit the second, close-in shot, in case the BVR [beyond-visual-range] shot missed," an Air Force official said. Air Force analysts believe U.S. electronic warfare techniques are adequate to spoof the missile's radar. "That [second shot] is what causes concern to the F-15 community," he said. "Now, the Su-30 pilot is assured two shots plus an effective escape, which greatly increases the total engagement [kill percentage]."

THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the Sukhoi taking a shot with a BVR missile (like the AA-12 Adder) and then "turning into the clutter notch of the F-15's radar," the Air Force official said. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30's relative forward speed close to zero. This is a 20-year-old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighter's maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allow it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness, observers said.

If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 is invisible to the F-15's Doppler radar--which depends on movement of its targets--until the U.S. fighter gets to within range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. The AA-11 has a high-off-boresight capability and is used in combination with a helmet-mounted sight and a modern high-speed processor that rapidly spits out the target solution.

Positioned below the F-15, the Su-30 then uses its passive infrared sensor to frame the U.S. fighter against the sky with no background clutter. The Russian fighter then takes its second shot, this time with the IR missile, and accelerates out of danger.

"It works in the simulator every time," the Air Force official said. However, he did point out that U.S. pilots are flying both aircraft in the tests. Few countries maintain a pilot corps with the air-to-air combat skills needed to fly these scenarios, said an aerospace industry official involved in stealth fighter programs.

Those skeptical of the experiments say they're being used to justify the new Aim-9X high-off-boresight, short-range missile and its helmet-mounted cuing system, the F-22 as an air superiority fighter and, possibly, the development of a new long-range air-to-air missile that could match the F-22 radar's ability to find targets at around 120 mi. They contend that the Su-30MK can only get its BVR missile shot off first against a large radar target like the F-15. While it's true that the Su-30 MK would not succeed against the stealthy F-22 or F-35, neither would it regularly beat the nonstealthy (but relatively small radar cross section) F-16 or F/A-18E/F, they said. These analysts don't deny the F-22's value as an air-to-air fighter, but say the aircraft's actual operational value will be greatest in the penetrating strike, air defense suppression and electronic jamming roles.

At the same time, there may be more to the simulations than justifying new weaponry, say European analysts. Also at play are some tactical wrinkles being developed for the more effective use of new Russian missile versions.

و للأخ صاحب الموضوع هذه هي السوخوي-30 أتمنى أن تضعها , الصورة التي أرفقتها للسوخوي-27 و شكرااا على موضوعك

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